RFC 1396 INFORMATIONAL PROCESS · IETF · GOVERNANCE

The Process for Organization of Internet Standards Working Group (POISED)

How a 1992 working group reworked the way IETF and IAB leaders are chosen and how standards decisions are made.

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January 1993
AUTHORS
S. Crocker
STREAM
Legacy
CHAIR
Steve Crocker
NOMINATION COMMITTEE
7 community volunteers
TERMS FOR IAB AND IESG
Two years
VOLUNTEER REQUIREMENT
Attended two IETF meetings
RECALL VOTE
Two thirds of the recall committee
DISCUSSION VOLUME
About 20 MB of messages
DOI
10.17487/RFC1396

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Network Working Group                                         S. Crocker
Request for Comments: 1396             Trusted Information Systems, Inc.
                                                            January 1993


           The Process for Organization of Internet Standards
                         Working Group (POISED)
                          Steve Crocker, Chair

Status of this Memo

   This memo provides information for the Internet community.  It does
   not specify an Internet standard.  Distribution of this memo is
   unlimited.

Abstract

   This report provides a summary of the POISED Working Group (WG),
   starting from the events leading to the formation of the WG to the
   end of 1992.  Necessarily, this synopsis represents my own
   perception, particularly for the "prehistory" period.  Quite a few
   people hold strong views about both the overall sequence and specific
   events.  My intent here is to convey as neutral a point of view as
   possible.

Background and Formation of POISED Working Group

   The POISED WG resulted from two sequences of activity, both
   intimately related to the growth of the Internet.  During 1991, there
   was great concern that the IP address space was being depleted and
   that the routing tables were growing too large.  Some change in the
   IP addressing and routing mechanisms seemed inevitable, and it became
   urgent to explore and choose what those changes should be.  The ROAD
   Working Group was formed to study the issues and recommend changes.
   The ROAD group returned with a specific recommendation for the short
   term, but did not reach a conclusion on a long term plan.

   The Internet Engineering Steering Group (IESG) then formulated a plan
   of action for further exploration of the issues and forwarded these
   recommendations to the Internet Architecture Board (IAB).  In June
   1992, after the INET '92 meeting in Kobe, Japan, the IAB met and
   considered the IESG's recommendations.  After considering the IESG's
   recommendations, the IAB felt that additional ideas were also
   important, particularly some of the addressing ideas in the CLNP
   protocol.  The IAB communicated its concerns, and there was immediate
   controversy along two dimensions.  One dimension was technical: What
   is the best course for evolving the IP protocol?  How important or
   useful are the ideas in the OSI protocol stack?  The other dimension
   was political: Who makes decisions within the Internet community?
   Who chooses who makes these decisions?

   As often happens during periods of conflict, communication suffered
   among the several parties.  The June communication from the IAB was
   understood by many an IAB decision or, equivalently, a sense of the
   decisions the IAB would make in the future.  In contrast, many if not
   all on the IAB felt that they were trying to open up the discussion
   and their memos were intended as advice and not decisions.  From my
   perspective, this form of miscommunication was partly due to the
   extended size of the Internet technical community.  When the
   community was much smaller, the IAB was in close contact with the day
   to day workings of the technical groups.  With the creation of the
   IESG and area directorates, there are now two or three layers between
   a working group and the IAB.

   These matters came to a head during the Internet Engineering Task
   Force (IETF) meeting in July in Cambridge, MA.  It was made clear
   that the consideration of changes to the IP protocol remained open.
   Work on that topic has proceeded and is reported in the appropriate
   forums.  However, it became clear that it was necessary to examine
   the decision process and the procedures for populating the IESG and
   IAB.  With respect to the procedures for selecting IAB and IESG
   members, the procedures that were in place derived from the creation
   of the Internet Society (ISOC) and the ISOC's sponsorship of the IAB.
   These procedures had been developed during the early part of 1992 and
   had been adopted by the ISOC during its meeting in Kobe in June.
   Hence, as fast as the ISOC was building the framework for supporting
   the Internet community, the community was questioning its structure
   and processes.

   Following the IETF meeting, Vint Cerf, Internet Society president,
   called for the formation of working group to examine the processes
   and particularly the selection process (Attachment 1).  During
   August, the working group was formed, I was asked to chair it, and a
   charter for the WG was formulated (Attachment 2).  (The acronym is
   due to Erik Huizer and originally stood for The Process for
   Organization of Internet Standards and Development.  It was shortened
   to fit into the space available on paper and in the IETF
   Secretariat's database.)

Deliberations: August through mid-November

   The formation of the POISED WG provided a forum for discussion of
   process issues.  An estimated 20 MB of messages filled up disks all
   over the world.  Much of this discussion was fragmented or focused on
   narrow issues.  The salient point that emerged was the need for a
   well defined process for selecting leaders with explicit community
   representation in the selection process.  There was also substantial
   discussion of the role of the IAB -- to what extent should it make
   decisions and to what extent should it provide technical guidance? --
   and the relationship between the IAB and IESG.

   After several weeks of discussion, Carl Malamud and I attempted to
   capture the main elements of the discussion by presenting a specific
   proposal for the reorganization of the entire structure.  The main
   elements of the proposal were:

      o Retention of the WG and area structure now in place within the
        IETF.

      o Replacement of the IAB and IESG by two boards, one devoted to
        technical management and one devoted to oversight of the
        process.

      o Well defined terms for members of both boards.

      o Selection by committees with input from the community.

   This proposal was technically radical in the sense that it proposed
   new structures to replace existing structures instead of proposing
   changes within the existing system.  The proposal focused all further
   discussion and set the stage for the fall IETF in mid-November in
   Washington D.C.

November IETF meeting

   By virtue of the intensity of interest throughout the community, the
   POISED WG was one of the focal points of the IETF meeting.  The
   schedule included a plenary session Tuesday morning to present the
   current state of the POISED WG discussions, a formal POISED WG
   session Tuesday afternoon and an open IESG meeting Thursday evening
   devoted to the POISED issues.  The formal schedule was only the tip
   of the iceberg; numerous meetings took place over breakfast, lunch
   and dinner, in the halls and off in the corners.  The more active
   participants probably had a dozen or more separate meetings on this
   over the three most active days, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.

   Amidst all this frenetic activity, remarkable progress occurred at
   two key points.  At the Tuesday afternoon POISED WG meeting, Lyman
   Chapin, IAB chair, Phill Gross, IETF chair and IAB member, and other
   IAB members proposed changes within the existing IAB/IESG structure
   which converged with the process management elements of the Malamud-
   Crocker proposal.  The key point was that all processing of standards
   actions, including the final decision to advance a specification
   along the standards track, would be made by the IESG.  This change in
   the process shortens the decision cycle and brings it a step closer
   to the working group.   Convergence on this key point obviated a
   radical proposal and signaled the building of a consensus on how the
   standards process should evolve.  Over the next two days attention
   then turned to the selection process.

   As indicated above, there was a strong feeling in the community that
   the IAB and IESG members should be selected with the consensus of the
   community.  A natural mechanism for doing this is through formal
   voting.  However, a formal voting process requires formal delineation
   of who's enfranchised.  One of the strengths of the IETF is there
   isn't any formal membership requirement, nor is there a tradition of
   decision through  votes.  Decisions are generally reached by
   consensus with mediation by leaders when necessary.

   Various formulas were considered, and the one that emerged was that
   IAB and IESG members would be selected by a nomination and recruiting
   committee.  The committee is to consist of seven members from the
   community, with non-voting representatives from the IAB and IESG and
   a non-voting chair provided by the ISOC.  The seven members are to be
   volunteers, with selection by lot if there are more than seven
   volunteers.  The only requirement for volunteers is they must have
   attended two IETF meetings.  This requirement is designed to ensure
   the nomination committee has some familiarity with the Internet
   community and the standards process.

   IAB and IESG members are to serve two years.  Half of each body is to
   have terms starting in odd years, and half is to have terms starting
   in even years.  Selections to the IESG have to be ratified by the
   IAB, and selections to the IAB had to be ratified by the ISOC.  In
   the event that the nomination committee is unable to reach a
   consensus on a single candidate for each position, it may forward
   multiple nominations to the ratifying body, and the ratifying body
   will select the candidate.

   In addition to this selection process, a recall mechanism was
   outlined using a similar scheme.  The ISOC is to supply an ombudsman
   who will field complaints after all oversight processes have been
   exhausted.  If the ombudsman is unable to resolve a complaint after a
   cooling off period, a recall committee, selected at random among
   volunteering community members, will consider the matter.  A two
   thirds vote by the committee is necessary to remove someone.

   This proposal was formulated and circulated during Wednesday and
   Thursday and presented at the IESG open plenary.  In contrast to the
   extraordinarily contentious open IESG meeting in Cambridge, this
   meeting was characterized by a strenuous effort by numerous people,
   representing diverse points of view, to reach consensus on this
   proposal, and the meeting ended with a distinct decision to proceed
   on this basis.  Given the strong consensus that emerged at that
   meeting, the group decided to implement the selection process by the
   next IETF meeting, with the new IESG and IAB members to begin their
   terms at the termination of the IETF meeting in March.

   On Friday, the IAB and IESG met jointly to determine what to do next.
   Both groups agreed to implement the change in processing standards
   actions quickly and cooperatively and to identify the positions which
   are open for selection.  Within a couple of weeks, the IAB finished
   processing the standards actions in its queue, and IESG began to
   handle standards actions on its own.

December ISOC meeting

   The Internet Society Trustees met December 10 and 11 at CNRI in
   Reston, VA.  The process and organization of the IAB and IETF was one
   of their major concerns.  A session of the Trustees at 3:00 p.m. EST,
   December 10, was broadcast via the Internet.  It was not clear how
   many people listened, but Geoff Huston, Internet Trustee, was spliced
   in separately from Australia.

   At this session, I presented the POISED WG results deliberations and
   asked on behalf of the IETF that the Trustees approve the selection
   process described above.  For the long run, a new charter is needed.
   Given the very compressed schedule for these activities, there has
   not been time to draft and refine a new charter, so the Trustees were
   asked to approve the general direction of the reorganization of the
   IAB and IETF and give temporary approval to the selection process in
   order to permit the first round of selections to proceed.

   The Trustees expressed strong approval for the work of the POISED WG
   and general approval for the direction of the effort.  One area of
   concern for the Trustees is the legal liability of the Internet
   Society regarding decisions the IESG might make in the future.  The
   Trustees made it quite clear that they are not inclined to
   micromanage the IETF process, but they do feel compelled to
   understand the legal issues and help construct a charter which is
   consistent with their responsibilities as Trustees.

   The session adjourned with agreement to proceed on the current course
   and for the IETF, IAB and ISOC Trustees to work together to draft the
   appropriate charter.

Future activities

   Both the IESG and IAB have selected the positions which must be
   filled through the new selection process.  As I write this, Vint Cerf
   has been working to find a chair for the nominations committee, and
   the process should move forward during January and February.
   Communications on the details of the nomination process will be
   published on the IETF mailing list and possibly other forums.  As
   described above, the selection process should be complete well before
   the next IETF meeting, and preferably by the end of February.

   The other open agenda item is the draft of a new charter for the IAB
   and IETF and adoption of the charter by the ISOC.  This is the next
   order of business for the POISED WG.

ATTACHMENT 1: Message from Vint Cerf to the IETF, et al.

   To: pgross@nis.ans.net
   Cc: iab@isi.edu, iesg@NRI.Reston.VA.US, ietf@isi.edu,
           internet-society-trustees:;@IETF.NRI.Reston.VA.US,
           internet-society-members:;@IETF.NRI.Reston.VA.US,
           isoc-interest@relay.sgi.com
   Subject: Request for Recommendations
   Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 21:46:48 -0400
   From: vcerf@NRI.Reston.VA.US
   Message-Id:  <9208122146.aa10744@IETF.NRI.Reston.VA.US>




   To:      IETF Chairman
   CC:      IAB, IETF, IRTF, ISOC Trustees, and ISOC Members
   From:    President, Internet Society
   Subject: Request for Recommendations on IAB/IETF/IRTF/ISOC Procedures

Introduction

   In June, 1992, The Internet Society Board of Trustees received a
   proposed charter for an Internet Architecture Board to be created
   within the Internet Society. The new Internet Architecture Board was
   envisioned to be made up of the then current members of the Internet
   Activities Board. The functions of the IETF and the IRTF would be
   brought under the umbrella of the Internet Society as elements of the
   newly chartered Internet Architecture Board. The Trustees voted to
   accept the proposed charter, which is contained in RFC 1358.

   In the period between June and July, a great deal of discussion
   occurred both by email and at the IETF meeting in Boston about the
   procedures by which the IAB, IETF, and IRTF should work together
   under the general umbrella of the Internet Society. Among the many
   points raised, three seemed particularly important to consider:

      1. Procedures for making appointments to the Internet Architecture
         Board.

      2. Procedures for resolving disagreements among the IETF, IESG,
         and IAB in matters pertaining to the Internet Standards.

      3. Methods for ensuring that for any particular Internet Standard,
         procedures have been followed satisfactorily by all parties
         so that everyone with an interest has had a fair opportunity
         to be heard.

   Effective discussion of these issues requires the availability of an
   open venue, an opportunity to comment by email, and the possibility
   of conducting face-to-face meetings. Recognizing this, the IAB has
   recommended that the most effective means available to the Internet
   Community for gathering recommendations for refining our existing
   procedures is to request that an IETF Working Group be formed.

   I am pleased to make this request of the IETF to create such a WG.
   It would be extremely helpful to have recommendations on the three
   topics listed above by the first of December, 1992, in time to be
   presented at the Internet Society Board of Trustees meeting scheduled
   for December 10th.

   With respect to point 1 above, the current procedures for making IAB
   appointments are contained in the IAB charter (RFC 1358). RFC 1310
   contains a description of the current process by which Internet
   Standards are achieved. Points (2) and (3) could be discussed in the
   context of the present procedures described in RFC 1310, which
   recognizes a number of open issues in an appendix.

   The Internet Society Trustees hope that members of the IAB, IRTF,
   IESG, and IETF, as well as general members of the Internet Society,
   will take the time to share their thoughts in the proposed working
   group forum. It is vital to the future of the Internet that these key
   groups work together well. Certainly, the Internet Society Trustees
   are committed to doing everything possible to facilitate effective
   procedures and to preserve and enhance the special spirit of the
   Internet Community which has created and maintains the health and
   growth of the global Internet.

   Vint Cerf
   President
   Internet Society

Process for Organization of Internet Standards (poised)

   Charter

   Chair(s):
        Steve Crocker  <crocker@tis.com>

   Mailing lists:
        General Discussion:poised@nri.reston.va.us
        To Subscribe:      poised-request@nri.reston.va.us
        Archive:           nri.reston.va.us:~/poised/current

   Description of Working Group:

          The goal of this working group is to examine the Internet
          standards process and the responsibilities of the IAB, with
          attention to the relationship between the IAB and IETF/IESG.

          The need for this working group was suggested during
          discussions at the July 1992 IETF.  This led to a request
          from the Internet Society president to form such a working
          group.

           The WG will consider the following matters:

            1. Procedures for making appointments to the Internet
               Architecture Board.

            2. Procedures for resolving disagreements among IETF, IESG
               and IAB in matters pertaining to the Internet Standards.

            3. Methods for assuring that for any particular Internet
               Standard, procedures have been followed satisfactorily by
               all parties so that everyone with an interest has had a
               fair opportunity to be heard.


            The WG will begin with a review of the procedures for making
            IAB appointments as documented in RFC 1358 and a review of
            the standards-making process documented in RFC 1310.

            The WG has a goal of issuing a final report in time for IESG
            consideration and publication as an RFC before the
            ISOC Board of Trustee's meeting in December 1992.  Given the
            compressed timescale, the WG will conduct most of its
            deliberations by electronic mail on the POISED WG mailing
            list.   There will also be a preliminary report and
            discussions at the November 1992 IETF meeting in
            Washington, DC.

            This will be a normal IETF WG, i.e. the mailing list and all
            discussions will be completely open.

   Goals and Milestones:

      Sep 92 Gather initial set of issues and write a preliminary
             report.

      Oct 92 Post as an Internet Draft the initial recommendations to
             the ISOC Board.

      Nov 92 Open discussion and presentation of the work of the POISED
             Working Group at Washington D.C. IETF meeting.

      Dec 92 Submit the recommendations document to the IESG for posting
             as an Informational RFC.  This document will be
             subsequently transmitted to the ISOC Board.

Security Considerations

   Security issues are not discussed in this memo.

Author's Address

   Stephen D. Crocker
   Trusted Information Systems, Inc.
   3060 Washington Road
   Glenwood, MD 21738

   Phone: (301) 854-6889

   Email: crocker@TIS.COM

AI ELI5

On this page
PROBLEMAfter a clash over IP evolution in 1992, the Internet community questioned who makes decisions and how the IESG and IAB are populated.
MECHANISMThe POISED working group debated for months, converged at the November 1992 IETF on the IESG making all standards-track decisions, and defined a nomination committee with set terms and a recall process.
WHAT IT LED TOA new selection process was to start by the March IETF meeting, with a new charter for the IAB and IETF still to be drafted. This memo is informational.

§1How POISED Began

The POISED working group grew from two strands of activity. In 1991 there was concern that the IP address space was running out and routing tables were growing too large; the ROAD Working Group studied this and made a short-term recommendation but no long-term plan. In June 1992 the IAB considered the IESG's follow-up plan and raised ideas from the CLNP protocol, which caused controversy both technical and political: who makes decisions, and who chooses the deciders?

The author says miscommunication played a part: many read an IAB memo as a decision when the IAB meant it as advice, and the creation of the IESG and area directorates had put two or three layers between a working group and the IAB. After the July IETF meeting, Internet Society president Vint Cerf asked for a working group, which was formed in August with Steve Crocker as chair.

People argued about how to change the Internet and about who gets to decide. So a group was formed to fix the deciding part.

POISED EVENTS FROM THE REPORT, 1992
  1. 1992June: IAB considers IESG plan after INET '92 in Kobe
  2. 1992July: IETF meeting where process concerns came to a head
  3. 1992August: Cerf requests a working group; POISED formed
  4. 1992November: IETF in Washington D.C. converges on IESG handling standards actions
  5. 1992December: ISOC Trustees give general approval

§2Deliberations and the November IETF

From August to mid-November an estimated 20 MB of messages circulated. The main point was the need for a well defined process for selecting leaders with community representation. Carl Malamud and Steve Crocker then proposed replacing the IAB and IESG with two boards, one for technical management and one for process oversight, with defined terms and selection by committees.

At the November IETF in Washington D.C., IAB and IESG members proposed changes inside the existing structure that matched the process elements of that proposal. The key point was that all processing of standards actions, including the final decision to advance a specification, would be made by the IESG. This shortened the decision cycle and made a radical restructuring unnecessary. Afterwards the IAB cleared its queue and the IESG began handling standards actions itself.

First someone suggested tearing everything down and starting over. Then the existing leaders agreed to a smaller change that fixed the main problem, so nobody had to start over.

§3Selecting and Recalling Leaders

The IETF has no formal membership and decides by consensus rather than by vote, so formal voting was set aside. Instead IAB and IESG members are chosen by a nomination and recruiting committee of seven community volunteers (chosen by lot if more volunteer), plus non-voting representatives of the IAB and IESG and a non-voting chair from the ISOC. Volunteers must have attended two IETF meetings.

Members serve two years, with half of each body starting in odd years and half in even years. IESG selections are ratified by the IAB, and IAB selections by the ISOC. If the committee cannot agree on one candidate it may forward several to the ratifying body.

For recall, the ISOC supplies an ombudsman to field complaints once other oversight is exhausted. If the matter is unresolved after a cooling-off period, a randomly chosen recall committee of volunteers considers it, and a two thirds vote is needed to remove someone.

Leaders are picked by a small group of volunteers drawn like raffle tickets, serve for two years, and can be removed if a fair panel agrees by a big enough majority.

§4ISOC Approval and Next Steps

On December 10 and 11 the Internet Society Trustees met in Reston, VA. Crocker asked them, on behalf of the IETF, to approve the general direction and to give temporary approval to the selection process so the first round could proceed. The Trustees were strongly approving of the work, but raised concern about the ISOC's legal liability for IESG decisions and said they did not intend to micromanage the IETF.

The memo ends with the plan to run the first selection in January and February, ideally finished by the end of February and before the next IETF meeting, with new members starting their terms at the end of the March meeting. A new charter for the IAB and IETF, to be adopted by the ISOC, was the next item for the working group.

The people who oversee the whole group said yes to the plan for now, and the next job was to write down the official rules.

§5The Charter and Cerf's Request

The memo attaches Vint Cerf's request of 12 August 1992 and the working group charter. Cerf named three topics: procedures for appointments to the IAB, for resolving disagreements among the IETF, IESG and IAB, and for confirming that standards procedures were followed so everyone had a fair chance to be heard. He pointed to RFC 1358 for the IAB charter and RFC 1310 for the standards process.

The charter set milestones from September to December 1992 and required the mailing list and all discussions to be completely open. It targeted a final report as an Informational RFC for the ISOC Board meeting in December 1992.

The papers at the end show the original request to form the group and the list of jobs it was given, all done in the open.

§6References